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The 996 Grind Gets Time All Wrong — With Oliver Burkeman

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This is a bonus episode of The Prof G Pod — beginning this week, we’re publishing an extra Conversations episode every Tuesday.

Oliver Burkeman, author of Four Thousand Weeks and Meditations for Mortals, joins Scott Galloway to discuss why our obsession with optimizing every part of life is making us more anxious, not more fulfilled.

He explains why productivity systems and “maxxing” culture tend to backfire, how embracing our limits can be freeing rather than defeatist, and why AI won’t solve the deeper problem of trying to outrun our own finitude. Plus, how to tell the difference between healthy discipline and an optimization mindset that’s gone too far.


Timestamps
00:00 - In This Episode
01:38 - Why are we so obsessed with optimizing our lives?
03:29 - Where is the line between healthy and harmful optimization?
08:58 - How do you decide how optimized you want to be?
11:53 - Is tracking ourselves harmful?
13:52 - Why did you write your book, “Four Thousand Weeks?”
16:20 - Do you believe in an afterlife?
18:07 - Why don’t productivity systems work?
20:02 - What is “radical acceptance?”
21:58 - Ad Break
23:12 - What is your view on perfectionism?
25:00 - What are “daily-ish” habits?
28:00 - Why is grind culture so popular among young people?
30:34 - Have any productivity hacks worked for you?
36:31 - Are relationships the ultimate productivity hack?
37:51 - Ad Break
40:15 - What does AI mean for productivity?
43:52 - How has your work impacted your approach to parenting?


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